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Should Gambling be Added?  

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A recent Friends Chat debate prompted this, was going to post it a few days ago but lost track of time and forgot to. Now before you instantly go to the comments/poll and vote no. Read everything, Then come to a decision.

 

There will be a few key points to this poll/info thread that you'll need to read. As you'll be voting on different things.

Integration into Ataraxia
Community Aspect
Types of Gambling You'd Want

 

To start off:

Integration into Ataraxia

Gambling as a whole has a terrible reputation, however, some people love it. So read everything and then come to a decision. The types of methods used for Gambling will be mentioned later. However, this section is to explain how it'd be integrated.

It would be created so there are no hosts, no 55x2, no 60x2, no possible way for someone to have more than a 50% chance to win. Gambling to the extent where people can buy a dice bag then win heaps of money with unfair odds is not how we'd operate it. The odds would be completely fair and both parties have equal chances of winning.

In order to get access to the Gambling, it wouldn't be a store-bought perk, rather buyable for a certain amount of Coins, Vote Points, Trivia Points or granted as per Donor Rank. For example, if a player is Platinum Rank, they wouldn't need to purchase it. 'it' being the ability to Gamble/access to the Gambling area

Gambling can also obviously bring scamming. It would not be brought into the game without having 100% scam-proof systems. Done through code as opposed to having to trust another player to pay up. Though I do love weeding out the untrustworthy players in communities, it's not worth the risk. And has to be 100% scam-proof for the protection and benefit of our players.

Gambling would have a specific area and it'd be against the rules to broadcast the fact you are gambling in the Friends Chat. Using ;;yell would be acceptable. But the Friends Chat is completely off limits in attempt to make the Gambling activity stay in ;;gamble. ;;Gamble would be an area for players to participate in it. It'd have a bank to watch and get items as well as suitable space for players to spread out a little.

The other main thing wrong with Gambling is the toxicity it brings.

 

Community Aspect

Those that know me, know that I love a well-moderated yet relaxed community. I despise toxicity yet encourage banter. The addition of Gambling will inevitably cause people to become angry with each other. But I believe that with our Staff and management we can prevent this happening completely. Obviously, people will become frustrated if they lose, but that's the same case with going dry on bosses, dying to a boss, not getting a pet etc. I think the toxicity can be handled and moderated to ensure that while we understand it's frustration, it is still taken with a grain of salt.

Now the reason we're polling this is because I know some people will hate the addition of gambling. Some people love it, some people are impartial, some people will quit if it comes. 

I think Gambling only effects those that participate. Whether they lose money, make money, come out even or just enjoy watching. Those who don't want to Gamble, don't have to. Personally, I dislike communities that have Gambling and don't control the broadcast/toxicity of people who participate. But I love the idea and risk involved. I don't know why you guys dislike it, it might be a different reason, but I think moderated well, the general cause of Gambling can be prevented.

You must also take into account, Duel Arena may not be returning. It is too risky and difficult to manage on our revision, and too many factors to consider.

We can handle the community, if that's your worry. I wouldn't let it tarnish the reputation of the community.

 

Types of Gambling (proposed)

Dicing

Dicing is probably my personal favourite. The only mode of dicing that would be implemented is the dice duel feature. Dice dueling includes to people rolling in a bo5, bo3 or bo1, the highest roll out of those will win. Each player has a 50/50 chance to win and it's awesome.

Ghost Ahoy Rune-Draw

This system was briefly added a few patches ago, you can read about it here: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Rune-Draw 

It's a fairly fun system and involves skill as well as luck. Out of the three choices it's the only one that can involve a bit of skill. 

Flower Poker

Flower Poker involves planting 5 Mithril seeds and getting a poker hand of Flowers. If you match 2, get 3, get 2 pairs, get 4 of a kind or even 5 of a kind you can beat the other player. If you get 5 different flowers you bust and will most likely lose unless the other player busts also. If you draw, you keep planting until someone wins.

I haven't done Flower Poker much myself but it is quite enjoyable. It's pretty straightforward and can be fun to watch & participate.

 

These options may not all be added, please pick one or two when voting. We'll most likely side with the most popular one depending on the poll.

 

 

When voting on the poll, please consider everything said above, if you have any other worries about what Gambling would bring, please message me about it.

Either Vote No Gambling, Dicing, Flower Poker, Rune-Draw.

In order for anything to be added, the majority must be 60% in favour of it. (40% or more voting No Gambling).

 

Please also comment why, or I'll delete your Vote.

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I'd be down for the dicing method if it were all handled outside of the player(s), purely because it's my favourite method of gambling. If this is passes I'd also like to see some sort of tax implemented, similar to, if not the same as how osrs has done it with the duel arena; we need more money sinks.

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I agree with the addition of gambling, especially the Dice Duel method and flower poker as it is even chanced gambling, rather then a 55%-45% etc.

I also want to state that, if you don't like gambling, just remember that you're not obliged to gamble if it is added. 😛

 

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I'm not much of a gambler myself, but I know many would enjoy this aspect of the game. I have nothing against fp'ing or ddíng cause it's 50/50, so fair for everyone. Also as Xenthium said above, taxing gambling could be another money sink.

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Voting no. Gambling has always been a source of problems throughout every private server I've played since gambling was a thing. If not for the social and community unrest it ends up causing, the economical ones are much greater and impossible to control without creating incredibly controversial incidents.

There's plenty of issues that are bound to arise the second any form of it gets implemented. Here's a few I can think of now

  • People will stake their banks, lose, rage, and quit.
  • People will hoard wealth. I'm not against hoarding your wealth, but only if you've actually earned it the right way. Winning a game of chance is not a legitimate earning.
  • Gold may end up becoming a useless item and the only way to trade is with items. This leads to issues for new players and existing ones.
  • When gold is worthless, or wealth is too hoarded to have enough items to go around, what do you do? Do you take the items from the hoarders, effectively stealing from them? Do you reset the economy effectively fucking everybody for the actions of a small few?

I vote for the end goal of the server, rather than what I feel I'd do. I'd probably gamble if it passed. But it's not something that would end up working well for this server.

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15 minutes ago, Donald Trump said:

 

  • People will being to hoard wealth. I'm not against hoarding your wealth, but only if you've actually earned it the right way. Winning a game of chance is a legitimate earning, purely getting lucky.
  • Gold may end up becoming a useless item and the only way to trade is with items. This leads to issues for new players and existing ones.
  • When gold is worthless, or wealth is too hoarded to have enough items to go around, what do you do? Do you take the items from the hoarders, effectively stealing from them? Do you reset the economy effectively fucking everybody for the actions of a small few?

I feel like this is already a bit of a problem with those who sell hundreds in donations, collectively, just a few players hold a decent percentage of all in-game cash and it isn't earning it the right way in my books. 
 

15 minutes ago, Donald Trump said:

 

  • People will stake their banks, lose, rage, and quit.

This is ultimately their fault due to a lack of self-control.

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18 minutes ago, Dead on Dave said:

I want my vote removed i tab clicked the wrong one! My vote was on dicing.

What do you want your vote to be & why?

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Personally, I have gambled on many rsps and staked bils on osrs. 

I LOVE gambling. All sorts of gambling, spending $ at casinos, to rsgp at the duel arena on osrs.

Do I like losing everything & getting cleaned? No.

Can I see myself gambling on this server if it is added? No, not a chance. This server is enjoyable and I don't want to sacrifice my fun for no reason when I can just grind gp on an alt or make money other ways. With that being said, I don't believe gambling is a "lazy" way of making money, and most people just do it to have fun. A lot of players' decision to gamble comes down to self control. If you can't afford to lose it all, then you shouldn't risk it all. I can not judge this community on who would quit over not being able to control themselves and lose it all, or who would not gamble in the first place. 

I'm voting for Rune-Draw (only) as I believe that would be the best option for the server in the long run.

I voted for Rune-Draw because I feel like it has the least amount of control over players becoming insanely rich, it's not hosted by a player, and I believe gambling shouldn't play a major part in the economy. 

At first I was going to vote no, because I know some people can't control themselves and that is a major problem, but in the end Rune-Draw just makes sense to me and is all around the best choice for the eco & future of the server, in my opinion. 

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I think gambling is horrible idea due to people so cant help themselves starts gambling then lose their entire bank and stop playing aftehr that.

I always seen gambling as a bad thing due to it will mess with the eco alot.

So for me its a big NO.

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4 hours ago, Xenthium said:

This is ultimately their fault due to a lack of self-control.

this is true, it's their own fault, but we'd still be losing a member and that's sad. This will be prevented by either not introducing gambling at all or have a way to counter that.

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1 hour ago, helladaemon said:

this is true, it's their own fault, but we'd still be losing a member and that's sad. This will be prevented by either not introducing gambling at all or have a way to counter that.

Tbh you also have to consider the players it'd bring. I can say confidently we've had many people ask if we have gambling and when we said no, they've left.

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14 minutes ago, Jaedmo said:

Tbh you also have to consider the players it'd bring. I can say confidently we've had many people ask if we have gambling and when we said no, they've left.

Fair enough, but those people care more about gambling than about the other features and ultimately join for the gambling. I have never really gambled but from my personal experience with gamblers I've noticed that it often happens that they stay in small groups instead of participating in the server. Ofcourse there are exceptions and not all gamblers fit this stereotype. (this is all based on personal experience and what i've seen happening on multiple private servers)

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I voted for flower poker, purely on that I did it ALOT on RS3 and earnt bills. But Also i voted for this option as I believe it could be the fairest/easiest potentially (ignore my ignorance to the integrity of code.) To program.

Agreement with the point of those not wanting this, as I have seen many turn toxic just for winning big bank and looming it over people, generally spoiling the friends-chat with excessive friends-chat messages which one could perceive as spam.

The idea of an NPC orientated gambling system seen adequate to protect the community from the 'urge' to gamble bank on a whim of bringing home the BIG$$.

Our playerbase has grown astronomically recently. The agrument could be would this bring more players to Ataraxia for the better. Or make our fellow ladies and gentlemen repulse this choice and quit, I would like to think that they would stay with us, with the growth we have recently achieved also the updates we're receiving from the talented Dev team 🙂 

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Coming from someone who has single handedly made many people quit the server from being cleaned at the PoH boxing ring and duel arena, I myself have to vote against Gambling in general. Sure, it could potentially make a newer player with little wealth very rich very quick, but more often than anything people just chuck their bank to try and double up and end up losing it, and not wanting to rebuild. All that's left is a few players with a majority of the wealth in the game controlling prices because they can pay what they want for items they don't need. This is the MAIN reason I switched over to ironman modes, as I wanted to enjoy the game and prevent myself for being able to stake/gamble again. On top of these problems is the obvious... scamming. We already have scamming reports of small gambling being done on the server as is, and if we added legitimate gambling to the server then there's more than likely going to be bugs that people abuse to increase their chances of winning, or just blatantly stealing. This causes an entire new aspect of regulating the community, and rules to be made along with punishments etc.

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2 hours ago, Opi said:

I voted for flower poker, purely on that I did it ALOT on RS3 and earnt bills. But Also i voted for this option as I believe it could be the fairest/easiest potentially (ignore my ignorance to the integrity of code.) To program

You're definitely not being ignorant my friend, but it's worth noting that RuneDraw is already complete.

I don't understand why Rune Draw has received such little votes. It is scam proof with a lot of suspense. You could be winning a game but all the sudden have it snatched from you by a death rune. It's tons fun to play, and is the best option out of all of them. That gambling system makes us very unique in the RSPS scene (the only RSPS to ever have multiplayer Rune Draw, the original one in RS is single player). New players can see such a system and think "wow, they must have some very capable developers." It's much less cheap looking than traditional gambling methods, and can serve as a very unique advertising point "RuneScape-style Gambling." 

I implore the community to please reconsider your enmity towards the Rune Draw (which is already 100% complete, making it an instant result) and entertain it as a viable option.

 

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10 hours ago, Jaedmo said:

What do you want your vote to be & why?

I wanted my vote to be on dicing, always loved doing 50/50 dicing on my previous servers. I think it's a good way to build the community since i know a lot of people who plays RSPS solely for that high of building a giant bank, "Owning ECO" then losing it and doing it all over again. 

 Although people have made points against it, i'd still love to see it implemented. People quitting due to being cleaned isn't necessarily a gambling only thing, people also quit when they run out of content and are finally bored of just chatting when bankstanding. Gambling adds that extra gameplay element that never really runs out since there's no real way to complete it.

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i'm pretty impartial to gambling, i've never really took part in it, but i've always seen it have negative effects on the servers i've been apart of. this is by far the best server i've ever played and i don't want to see something as simple as gambling ruin it, so i was hesitant to vote. 

But. 

after some thought i chose dicing or rune draw. i believe you guys have the staff to handle it fairly and i think this is the first server that may be able to handle it with something as unique as rune draw (my preferred method of the two). 

i also like the fact that it will be kept fairly separate from the actual game, a smaller community inside the larger.

IF either of these two get passed and put into the game i don't think the duel arena should return.  give one avenue of gambling that is refined and secure. 

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I'm going to be real with you here from personal experience, but first some concerns or comments I guess. Gambling is a flawed system from the get go, regardless if it is 50/50 odds. Not saying the code or the methods mentioned above are going to be poorly done. It is full of toxicity, creates issues for the staff team because players that lose items due to gambling have a tendency to not respect the rules and flame, flame bait, etc. Which more than likely can get another player involved in with them and be punished for flaming back. (irreverent but true because some people feel a need to defend themselves)

5 hours ago, Jaedmo said:

Tbh you also have to consider the players it'd bring. I can say confidently we've had many people ask if we have gambling and when we said no, they've left.

Secondly as Jaedmo aforementioned, it could bring a lot of players, and those players will increase sales in the shop because they want to join for mainly staking purposes so they will need a way to make cash fast, as most gamblers do. But most of the people I have ever met that join servers just for gambling are some of the most toxic people I have met in my time playing RSPS; not sure how I or others feel welcoming those types of players to the friendly community that has developed in this server. 

Now for my personal experience side of things, before the eco reset I was a very toxic player (now reformed / I matured) I had gambled and made roughly 25B in items and GP and about $175 in donations from in game GP, that being said; everything that goes up must come down and I lost everything. I had become easily one of/if not the most toxic players on this server and had caused quite a few issues for the staff team. Additionally this fueled the fire I had so to speak and after the many many chances I had been given by the staff team, I still had defied rules and even acted toxic towards those whom may have considered me a acquaintance. I can confidently say this is mainly because I gambled; to be honest its all hindsight but if I never gambled I probably would have never acted as such cause I wouldn't have obtained the wealth or lost it which fueled my following actions. (Side note; I clearly understand what I did was wrong and in no way is this a apology or a sob story, just giving personal experience for clairvoyance on the topic.) 

Additionally, I would like to also note gambling has always existed on this server in the form of boxing in the POH rings with a 'trusted' member or a member of the staff team as a middle man. So if this new method does get added; will there be any new rules or restrictions to POH boxing if none of the gambling methods noted above in the poll pass?

I hope whomever is reading this provides insight back instead of trolling or baiting me.

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5 hours ago, Boahy said:

 So if this new method does get added; will there be any new rules or restrictions to POH boxing if none of the gambling methods noted above in the poll pass?

Any form of gambling on the server is strongly suggested to have a middle man of a staff member to ensure that nothing is being abused, and nobody is being scammed. This goes along with selling donations; while donations are able to be sold from one player to another for in-game gp without a middleman, it's highly recommended to have one. The same logic applies.

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As im against Gambling, for the facts stated above, if it were to be added, Strictly only FP.

why?
Its all random. you can role all 5 red flowers or all blue flowers  or 1 of every color..theres no real way to say that 1 player has superiority over the other.
on a Random Number Generator (dicing) -- hosts will try and manipulate that RNG to their advantage.
 As for Rune-draw, im not to familiar with it, so i cant give my up and down ends about it, but my statement still stands with No, but FP Wouldnt hurt to have for those whom enjoy it. 

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I personally believe any act/content which aims at bringing more people should be encouraged.

Saying that, I see many saying yes to Flower poker but no to others, confuses me. If you like fp or dislike any others its fine but Jae clearly mentioned that Dice, if introduced, will be 'ONLY' 50 50 chance. So, basically its random or lets say the host doesn't have an advantage.

Coming to Rune-draw, i completely agree with Arham, its such a good advertising factor that would add yet another feather to the uniqueness of this server. Also the fact that there's no ifs and buts and its completely random, i don't see why this shouldn't be introduced.

Seeing this most must think i'll be gambling all day or something but in all this time in rsps, over 10 years, i've never made even 1m from staking. But i think we should respect the fact that as developers/owner trying to improve the game to provide for the demand so as to bring in new members is what we as players we should accept and welcome.

At last, i know most will be like, will i gamble? nah so let me just vote no. I was of the same mentality but the reality is, its only about time that people have billions and they don't know what to do anymore. Just think this one from the  point of view of the community.

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